04/18/2000
IWDM Study Library 
Interview by Lucinda Shore

By Imam W. Deen Mohammed
Lucinda Shore:
And let's switch gears and go to my guest for the next half hour or so. Imam Wallace Deen Mohammed. It's a pleasure. Welcome to the show. How you doing?
IWDM:
Yes. Good morning.
Lucinda Shore:
As Salam Alaikum.
IWDM:
Peace to you, As Salam Alaikum sir. Yes, I'm doing fine.
Lucinda Shore:
That's good. It's a pleasure to have you here on the air. And of course, you'll be coming to Cincinnati, May 5th through the 7th, I believe.
IWDM:
Yes, sir.
Lucinda Shore:
That's at the Best Western blue Ash hotel and conference center on Fifer Road. Now, what's going to happen at this weekend conference?
IWDM:
Well, it's going to be a business conference and also, I'm going to make an address. I'll make an address to the public. And the main thing we are trying to do is meet together as often as we can in the different locations throughout the United States so that our local communities are in touch with what the national efforts are. And so, we will be in touch with what the local efforts are, so we support each other. And what I mean by that, it's not so much business right now. I'm talking about ideas and our vision for the future. We want to make sure that our ideas, and vision for the future, are known to the local communities, and we want to make sure that we know what their local interests are, so that we work together.
Lucinda Shore:
Is there a common bond when it comes to different issues around the country, as you travel around the country, what's the one big issue you seem to see in every city you go to?
IWDM:
State spiritual life. Everywhere, people are strongly, strongly motivated to do something about their spiritual life. There's a spiritual awakening going on in America, and all over the world I believe, just as strong is interest in the family, being not [...] family.
Lucinda Shore:
Now, speaking of families, we've had the discussion all morning on, on the show. There's a big article in the USA Today about the changing shape of the American family. And people are no longer hiding the fact that they're living together, living together is replacing marriage.
IWDM:
Yes.
Lucinda Shore:
And what is that doing to society as we know it? Is it part of the moral decay that's going on now or what?
IWDM:
I don't think it's all to be identified as something that is morally bad. I think a lot of that, well, new dignity for people living together. And I know a few of two myself who are living in there, not legally married, or married, not by the law of the land, but they do accept each other as husband and wife. And they fulfill all the obligations of husband and wife to each other.
Lucinda Shore:
And that's what I was saying. That piece of paper does not necessarily mean that you're going to do what's right.
IWDM:
Yes. Well, we have history to back that up.
Lucinda Shore:
Yes. So, a lot of people are upset, especially we get a lot of Christians that seem, that this is just, it's not right. And people shouldn't do that. You go to church on Sundays, the preachers preach about that and, tell you how you're committing a sin if you're not married. And I just see where... That paper means nothing if you're not doing the right thing.
IWDM:
Yeah. That's true. And I've kind of been a rebel since I was a young man, but now I'm well, I think I'm settled in religion. And I do believe that it's always better to have G-d in anything that you're doing. And marriage is one of the most serious things that really ever do. And if we going to have each other as mates, we should have G-d in there first, and we should see G-d as the authority in our life, and we should make an agreement and have G-d as the authority over that agreement. Because we can get angry with each other and we can break the agreement. But if we have G-d, the stronger force in our life than human force, then we have a protection that will last. Not that the marriage without that ritual is not going to last, I'm not saying that, because I know some of them are lasting and some of them are living much better than a lot of my friends who are legally married.
IWDM:
So, I'm not at all taken from that. But I'm saying that even those marriages I think would be more secure, I know would be even more secure if they had G-d as the authority. And people are too not looking for G-d anymore. A lot of them are not looking for G-d anymore in what we call established religion. They're looking for G-d in their own souls, and their own conscience, you know? And that's because of... We have to admit it. The Muslim world, Christian world, all of us, we have put a lot in the air that's turned people off. And we went astray from our own purity. And we are trying to get back now to that purity so that we show the universal foundation and not our own prejudices.
Lucinda Shore:
Well, the Catholic church, they're even running commercials, begging people to come back. They're sorry if they disappointed them in anyway
IWDM:
That's true.
New Speaker:
begging them to come back. Now, that's the Catholic church. What do you think the Muslims have done to turn people off? If anything.
IWDM:
Well, too ritualistic, and we present our local cultures, and our local cultures as stronger flavor in what we are given to people than the real religion. For example, many times when I look at Muslims gather together and see how they behave, and how they live, and how they differ with each other. And they be thinking there's religious differences, but the educated ones among us, if it's Pakistanis, and African-Americans, or Arabs, or whatever, Palestinians, Turks, or whatever the group mix is, the learned ones they know better. They know how to distinguish between culture and religion. But most of the common people, they don't know how to distinguish between cultural identity and religious identity.
IWDM:
And I think also our political interests. We have let that come into the religion, and sometime the religious interest seems to be stronger than really their spiritual interest. And I think too, we have done what most great religions have done. I mean, when I say great religions now, I'm speaking of the religions of the Bible and the Quran. Christianity, Judaism, Islam. What most of them have done, and that is blow up small sins and don't address big sins.
Lucinda Shore:
Mm-hmm (affirmative). Now, when you say small sins and, give me an example of a small sin.
IWDM:
A small sin? A Muslim taking a sip of wine at a table is a small sin. Major sin is a Muslim living a life that doesn't say he believes in G-d and follows the word of G-d in the Quran. That's a major sin.
Lucinda Shore:
Okay.
IWDM:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Lucinda Shore:
Now I... Go ahead. Continue.
IWDM:
Another small sin, kissing a girl that you're not married to. But among Muslims, most Muslims, that's a big thing. All they've become so alarmed.
Lucinda Shore:
Hmm? And you look at that as a small sin?
IWDM:
Yeah.
Lucinda Shore:
Yes. You mean-
IWDM:
So, it's a small sin.
Lucinda Shore:
... when you say kissing, you mean kiss like for their infatuated with this woman and a kiss, or just a kiss.
IWDM:
An emotional passionate kiss.
Lucinda Shore:
Yes. Okay.
IWDM:
Yes.
Lucinda Shore:
And that is wrong?
IWDM:
Yes. Oh yes. It's wrong. But it's a small thing. It's when you look at the big things that's going on.
Lucinda Shore:
And you're saying, they're concentrating on those smaller things and letting the bigger things slide.
IWDM:
Exactly.
Lucinda Shore:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
IWDM:
Exactly. And that turns the young, intelligent, free minded youngsters off.
Lucinda Shore:
Mm-hmm (affirmative). I can see where that would. Now, recently, Louis Farrakhan has opened his arms up to you and you have greeted him back, and you two seem to be forming a sort of relationship now, how is that going?
IWDM:
Well, we've always had a relationship because his family and our family married into each other. You, see?
Lucinda Shore:
Yes.
IWDM:
So, we are relatives. We are really relatives. And his family and my family are relatives. And we have never despite what people may think. We have never stopped being friends. I differ with him and on the theology, and even his time, his posture as a published speaker, I don't agree with everything he says and do, everything he says and does pardon me. But I have remained his friend because I have always believed that Farrakhan is very intelligent, and I believe that Farrakhan wanted to go the right way. And I believe that he was seeing the right way, but didn't think his following could make the step with him. So, he stayed with them to keep from losing that. That's the way I saw him. But now that he sees the masses themselves to come and to, the people and of his following, they're now asking for more understanding of Islam. They want to know the religion more.
IWDM:
So, I think that's why he now is relaxing more to give them more and to himself, come out front as a believer in Islam with all the Muslims of the world. That's what he's saying now. And that's what I accept from him.
Lucinda Shore:
Now, what about some of these hardline people and some of your hardline people that just don't want see the two even communicating.
IWDM:
Yes, well, I've always known.
Lucinda Shore:
How do you turn them around?
IWDM:
I try to understand them, and I try to support them where they want to be supported. And I think I know where most of them want to be supported. And I try to be very, very quiet before their interests or their complaints against what I stand for. What I know I have to keep and stand for. I try to be very quiet. We have to handle them as, as our brothers and sisters, they do identify as Muslims. So as long as they identify as Muslims, we have to respect them as persons who identify as Muslims and not be so quick to condemn them. And say, no, they can't be accepted. So, this patience I've learned over the years, I advise others to, leaders in Islam, to embrace that.
IWDM:
For example, I know there are people with me who started with me, well, 25 years ago, 1975. And they love me and they support me. But are they pleased with me all the way? No. They are not pleased with some of the extremes that they see at some of the things that I have done and said that they see as extreme.
Lucinda Shore:
Like what? Give me an example.
IWDM:
Well, the Honorable Elijah Muhammad is a social reform teacher. The Honorable Elijah Muhammad is a moral reform teacher. The Honorable Elijah Muhammad is not Muhammad of the Quran, he did not receive revelation, and his band of Islam was a bait to attract us to the Quran. It was not Islam. They don't want to hear that. They don't want to hear that. They don't want hear anything that would force them to see the Honorable Elijah Muhammad in a smaller picture, on image then they accept it.
Lucinda Shore:
Okay.
IWDM:
Then they accept it. See, that's the problem. But they love my father, they love me. So, as long as they love my father and love me, I can tolerate that.
Lucinda Shore:
Mm-hmm (affirmative). Now, when you were scheduled to appear at the Saviors Day with Louis Farrakhan, what did some of your followers say to you before Saviors Day and they found out you were going? Did they say, "Please don't go. Don't do it."
IWDM:
"Do I have to go?" That's what a few said to me. "Do I have to go?" I said, "No, you don't have to go." I say, "It's an invitation to us," I said, "I'm going. And I wanted as many to go, that can go." I said, "But you don't have to go." And a few others told me, "I'm sorry, I just can't accept it." They were honest and decent enough to tell me that.
Lucinda Shore:
Totally. They just couldn't, they just... And what was your response to them?
IWDM:
My response to them was that I believed I had faith in Farrakhan, and I believed in him, and I knew that in time, he would say things and would come to a position that would permit us to come closer together. I didn't know it was going to happen in my lifetime, I tell you the truth. I didn't. But I thought that he was going to come closer and closer to universal Islam to give us a chance to come closer and closer to each other.
Lucinda Shore:
So, you never thought this would happen in your lifetime, huh?
IWDM:
I did not. I did not. I was praying that would happen, but I didn't expect it in my lifetime.
Lucinda Shore:
Well, who made the call?
IWDM:
Minister Farrakhan And-
Lucinda Shore:
Mm-hmm (affirmative). He called you?
IWDM:
Well, he invited me to join him. And I think this, it was the second year. The first, in 1999, he invited me to join Jumu'ah prayers at their Saviors Day convention weekend. And I did join them for the prayer. I was late for the formal congregational prayer, because I had to address another group of mixed nationalities at another location, hosted by MCC, Muslim Community Center on the west side of Chicago. So, I had to lead the prayer there, the service prayers there. So, I went to Farrakhan's meeting at the McCormick place and joined them.
IWDM:
When I got there, they were in a sitting prayer where you sit and do Du'as. Where You meditate on G-d and you call out to G-d for help. And you do it in as individuals. And you also follow someone, a religious leader leading you. I joined on them on the floor in that. And they introduced me and I greeted the audience and everything and told them how happy I was for that opportunity to join them on that most sacred day, Friday of the Muslims. And I told them that I hope that Farrakhan's health would constantly improve, and that soon, we would meet together, at least in Islam with all other Muslims of the world. So, that happened a year before.
Lucinda Shore:
Oh, okay. Okay.
IWDM:
So, this Savior’s Day, it was much easier for us, and I was warmly welcomed by them in 1999. I was so impressed, very warm welcome they gave me. But in this year, I had a chance to meet with Farrakhan on his farm in Michigan in his private home there. And sit with him and talk at length as a family member, as a friend, and also as a leader, a Muslim leader who differed with him. And we had a very productive conversation, and pledged then, to remain with each other as friends and as brothers in Islam, those separate as groups. This is not one group. He still has a nation of Islam. I'm not in the nation of Islam. And I have the... I'm a leader spokesperson for the Muslim American Society MAS. So, we are different groups, but we pledge to be brothers in Islam and build upon history of friendship, and also upon our brotherhood. That was our pledge. And we are keeping that pledge. He's keeping it and I'm keeping it.
Lucinda Shore:
And I tell you what, Imam Wallace Deen Mohammed, the son of Elijah Muhammad, and we need to take a quick break. And could you hold on, we've got some people to want to talk to you. Could you hold on for a few minutes?
IWDM:
Yes.
Lucinda Shore:
Okay. Hold on. We're talking to Imam Wallace Deen Mohammed, and we'll come back and give you a chance to talk to him for a few minutes right here on The Pulse of the City, 1480 WCIN. 1480, WCIN on the phone with me, Imam Wallace Deen Mohammed. And what do you think about the Million Family March that's coming up, Farrakhan is calling for the Million Family March. Do you support that?
IWDM:
Yes, I am supporting it. So, as I mentioned earlier, the number one concern, wherever I go is spirituality and family. And I said, not families who would just have faith in G-d, but our religion, as most people understand it. The spiritual side of what we call the whole religion. The other side of it, which Farrakhan knows too, is our obligation in a material world. Our obligation to ourselves and our obligation to our families. So, we have to have, as G-d says in our holy book, he says, seek with. The means I made available to you the hereafter, the spiritual destiny that is, but don't forget your share in this material world. This is in our scripture. G-d tells us that. Don't forget your share in this material world. It's not to make us materialistic because G-d often says in that same scripture, that the spiritual life is the higher and the better life, and the more lasting life.
IWDM:
But this material world is a reality, and this is where we are tested. If we don't make do well in this material world, we won't earn even the spiritual or the hereafter. We have to have community dignity. Muslims, as you know, we are a community. We call ourselves the Ummah, the International Ummah, and that means international community. Some translate it nation. I think this a mistake, but I'm not going to make an argument or issue, but I think it's not to be called a nation, it's to be called the community. We are international community and the focus is on community life. Individuals are to turn to G-d privately, personally, yes. But our obligation is to fulfill our responsibility to our community under G-d. And that is, we have to have good neighborhoods, we have to have productive life, we have to have good, strong family.
IWDM:
And you have that, you're going to have to have employment. You're going to have to have money. You can't have a good life if you don't have income. And so, that's what I think the family march is all about. Is putting family above money, yes, but families need money, our young men need jobs, our families need to be productive, our business people need to be supported. And I'm supporting the Million Family March because it represents what I think is the number one concern for Christians and Muslims.
Lucinda Shore:
All right. Now, I was reading the Muslim journal here, your speech in Philadelphia. And I see when you, when you mentioned the word, G-d, in here, you leave the O, out. Can you explain that to me?
IWDM:
Yes. Well, actually the nation of Islam, it was the Honorable Elijah Muhammad himself. Well, it must have been, oh, it must have been 50 years or so ago. I heard him speaking more than once. He used to come out every week and he would speak on Sundays at the local temple in Chicago. And I heard him say, that we don't like to use the word G-d, he said, because when you reverse the spelling, it's spelled dog. And I became sensitive. I was a young man. I became very sensitive and I didn't like to use spelling, I didn't like to use it. I didn't even like to say G-d when I was young. I prefer to say Allah. Even now I prefer to say Allah, but it's not as sensitive. It's not... Well, I don't even register it as a very sensitive thing anymore. But I say G-d freely now. with No problem.
Lucinda Shore:
Right. Yeah. I hear you say that, I mean, I'm looking in here. You always leave the word, the letter, O, out of G-d.
IWDM:
But when I write it, I have to leave the letter O out. So, it can't be reversed to stay dog.
Lucinda Shore:
Okay.
IWDM:
Yes.
Lucinda Shore:
All right. Let's go to the phones here. Dorothy, this is a nation of Islam Muslim Imam go ahead, Dorothy.
Dorothy:
You something else. Doesn't matter because I am a part of the Nation of Islam and I am a Muslim, and a Muslim is one who submit to do the will of Allah. Okay. What I wanted to know is you said he was speaking on community. What is the duty of Muslim or non-Muslims in a community when it comes to. Or if you can answer that, police brutality, and police in our own neighborhood?
IWDM:
I believe I understand your question. What is the duty of a Muslim when it comes to...
Dorothy:
Police in their neighborhood-
IWDM:
Yeah. When it comes to police brutality.
Dorothy:
Right.
IWDM:
If there's really a case of police brutality, the Muslim firstly, as a Muslim, is obligated to stand against any wrong. G-d says, be you are people a party for right, advancing what is right, and prohibiting what is wrong. That's all what is wrong. So, if brutality is a very serious wrong. It's against the law, it's against the police department, so we should stand up as Muslims first, but also as citizens, because as citizens, we have a voice, and we have our rights as citizens to make charges against police who are guilty of it, and to keep pressing and pressing until we are heard in the court. If it necessary, to have demonstrations. Whatever is necessary, we should do it within the law to get attention to any case of police brutality, and never be satisfied with the judgment even passed by our court, by our magistrate judge that is that we feel that is a wrong decision.
IWDM:
If we still believe that there's an issue of police brutality, we should appeal to a higher court, or we should bring pressure to bear by demonstration.
Dorothy:
Okay, so-
IWDM:
Until we get some results.
Dorothy:
So, if the Muslims, because right here in the city of Cincinnati sir, with all due respect, we don't have, we have very few Muslims that say they are Muslims that are coming out. And I'm not saying for the wrong, if the brothers or sister is wrong, but if you got policemen that are shooting people in the back, murdering our people, and then mostly the women are coming out. A lot of the brothers that are not coming up, I mean, are coming out, then I'm trying to, I'm... In Islam, I'm trying, and I read the Quran, and a lot of things I understand there, and some things that I don't understand. But as a people, we understand the condition that we are in. But when the Muslims don't stand up to be and to do what they know the right thing to do, then what should those of us who are trying to do if the other ones aren't?
IWDM:
Well, let me ask you quickly. And then, but the most important part of my answer, I have to give you after I ask you very quickly.
Dorothy:
Yes, sir.
IWDM:
Those who are conscious and know what to do, and they know they're in the right, and they have support of their holy scriptures supporting them. Their religion is supporting them. They shouldn't wait for others to join them; they should go out front with what they got. Go out with a few numbers you got. If it's only yourself, go out by yourself. My daughter, I don't want bring it up because [...] I don't want to bring up what she was doing, what she was protesting. But my daughter Leila, our oldest child, she asked me, she said, "Daddy, I don't like this. I want to make a demonstration downtown." I said, "If that's what you feel, you do that." She did it. And she was successful.
Dorothy:
Okay.
IWDM:
So, we have to go out with the few, if we don't have the many, but let me say this. The Nation of Islam has had its own strategy, its own way of doing things. And it preferred to do it as a separate body or separate group. So, to say that they're not visible when there's an issue like that is to me, is not so damaging, is not damaging at all to their character or their image because I know privately, and they have a way of reaching the public themselves. They go out in the streets with papers and they talk to members of the public, they have their own separate way of doing things. And they may be doing a great deal to help a cause, and we may not know it.
Dorothy:
Yes, sir.
IWDM:
Yeah. Now-
Dorothy:
Okay. Thank you.
IWDM:
But on the, yes, but my other-
Dorothy:
Okay, go ahead.
Lucinda Shore:
Okay. We hang up and listen to the other part of the answer. She's going to hang up and listen to another part of your answer. Okay. Go ahead.
IWDM:
May I give the rest of it now?
Lucinda Shore:
Yes.
IWDM:
Yes. The other part I want to say is we live in a time when males have been targeted by bad influences, bad forces, bad interests in our popular culture, more than females. And our young males have been beaten down much more than females have been beaten down. Look like the females have been spared, so to speak. Like the scripture say both Bible and Quran, say that certain things developed and they spared your females, but they don't spare your males. So, it seems like we have come through a period like that, or we are coming through a period like that, I don't think it's over. And the females are in much better conditions to stand up for moral issues and to take the lead.
Lucinda Shore:
And they seem to be doing that.
IWDM:
Yes. And they're doing that.
Lucinda Shore:
Yes.
IWDM:
Yes.
Lucinda Shore:
All right. Let's continue. Edward, go ahead. You talked to the honorable Imam Wallace Deen Mohammed.
Edward:
As Salam Alaikum.
IWDM:
Wa Alaikum as Salam.
Edward:
My question for you in Imam, is the tuberculosis shot supposedly got pork in it. If that's so, are Muslims forbidden to take the tuberculosis shot? And I'll hang up.
Lucinda Shore:
Okay. Hang up and listen to the answer. Thanks for your call.
IWDM:
Yes. That question. Well, first of all, and we would have to really know that that's the only remedy. That's the only help that we have. We have to know that from the field of medicine. We have to know that that's the only help we have that. If that's the only help we have, then according to the teachings of the Quran, and our Prophet Muhammad peace upon him, we would be permitted to take not only some derivative of pork, but we are permitted to even eat pork itself to save our life if nothing else can save it.
Lucinda Shore:
Hmm. That's interesting.
IWDM:
Yes.
Lucinda Shore:
So, if nothing else will save your life, you are permitted-
IWDM:
To eat pork.
Lucinda Shore:
Mm.
IWDM:
And yes. And this is in our Holy Book.
Lucinda Shore:
Okay.
IWDM:
It says, if you're forced by starvation then, and there's nothing else to eat, to eat it, but only enough to save life. And if you eat it and start enjoying it, "Oh, I haven't had any, oh, I haven't had-"
Lucinda Shore:
"Oh, this bacon so good," yeah.
IWDM:
Then you're committing a sin, you're going to be punished for it.
Lucinda Shore:
All right. Let's continue. We only got about two more minutes. Go ahead, Bob. Real quick.
Bob:
Yes. Thank you for taking my call. Imam, I have a question about the new biographies on the market about your father, The Rise and fall of Elijah Muhammad.
IWDM:
Yes.
Bob:
The Evan's book. And first I'd like your opinion. And in general, if you've read the book and specifically-
IWDM:
What's the name of the book?
Bob:
Pardon me?
IWDM:
What's the name of the book?
Bob:
Elijah Muhammad. The Rise and fall of The Messenger.
IWDM:
Yes. I have the book.
Bob:
Yes.
IWDM:
The writer sent me a copy of it.
Bob:
Specifically, I'm interested in the-
IWDM:
I don't like the title, but there's a lot of good reading in that book.
Bob:
Yes, it is. It's very interesting.
IWDM:
Yes. I would myself recommend it.
Lucinda Shore:
You don't like the title because it says-
IWDM:
[crosstalk 00:29:14] our minds, we know that he did not fall. He still rising.
Bob:
Uh-huh (affirmative).
IWDM:
The honorable Elijah Muhammad is becoming even more and more popular for the good things that he had done, for the good advice he left, all of us, Christians and Muslims, and for the help he's given to this country. There's a lot of help the Honorable Elijah Muhammad has given to America that we don't see it as help because we say, "Oh, this man was negative. He was condemning America. He was saying, America's going to be destroyed." But he was making America, white America, more conscious. He was making white America's establishment more conscious. And he was causing them to look in the mirror at themselves. And it wasn't just the pressures of the civil rights movement, but it was also the pressures of the caustic language and the honorable Elijah Muhammad. That was similar to that of Frederick Douglas, who said to white America, that he was protesting against. He said, "You say you are Christians, and you claim to be a democratic society," He said, "But your behavior is such that would shame a nation of savages."
IWDM:
Frederick Douglas had positive influence on America, and so did the Honorable Elijah Muhammad. And he still does have that influence on America, and he's still a positive influence in the lives of many African Americans who are standing up in that, on life now with pride.
Bob:
I agree, Mr. Imam. But my question has to do with the expose on your name’s sake, Wallace Fard, the information that was... If you've read the information having to do with Wallace Fard.
IWDM:
With his teacher?
Bob:
Yes.
IWDM:
Yes, I did. Exactly, can you repeat that to me exactly the portion you're talking about?
Bob:
Well, the beginnings of the book sort of exposes Fard according to FBI files, as a-
IWDM:
Yes, as one who says he was].
Bob:
Not one who he said he was.
IWDM:
Drugs. He was charged with being a drug user.
Bob:
He had several charges against him, yes.
IWDM:
Yes. All I can give you is what my father said. And-
Lucinda Shore:
And what was that?
IWDM:
My father said that that man was not his teacher. That they confused another person with his teacher who a man resembled him somewhat, he said, but that was not his teacher. And knowing Mr. Fard writing, knowing him from my mother, my father, and many old timers who told me about him, there's no way I could believe that he would be involved in drugs or anything criminal, except if it was criminal that he was trying to organize poor, illiterate, written off, African Americans, he was trying to organize them so that they would stand up for their own dignity. If that was a crime, then that's the only crime he was guilty of. No other crime.
Bob:
Well, I thank you for your response, Imam.
Lucinda Shore:
Thanks for your call.
Bob:
Yeah.
Lucinda Shore:
All right. Well, Imam Wallace Deen Mohammed, it's been an honor talking to you today. And we'd like everybody in Cincinnati to know that you will be here on May 5th through the 7th at the Best Western Blue Ash Hotel and Conference Center on Phifer Road. And they're going to have the big fifth annual Shura Conference, Ohio Shura Conference.
IWDM:
Yes.
Lucinda Shore:
And people should come out if they'd like more information, they can call 7313263, or they can call 7459056, or you can leave a message at 7934508. And that's May 5th through the 7th, and the key to community and universal establishments, and that the big conference. And you will be here in Cincinnati, and looking forward to seeing you in town May 5th through the 7th.
IWDM:
Well, thank you. And I'm going to be joining some very great citizens of your city there, who are doing a lot of good, and I'll be there joining them. And I just want the citizens of Cincinnati to know that you got some great Muslim citizens there in your city.
Lucinda Shore:
All right. Thank you for talking with us this afternoon.
IWDM:
Thank you.
Lucinda Shore:
All right. Okay. There you have it. Imam Wallace Deen Mohammed, son of Elijah Muhammad. And he'll be in town May 5th through the 7th. And the weekend conference opens Friday, May 5th with registration and prayer services. And Saturday, the workshops begin at 9:00 followed by a banquet at 7:30, Curtis Fuller. Yes, from channel five will be the master of ceremonies. So, it's always good to listen to Curtis and he keeps you, believe me, he keeps you entertained, that's for sure. So, that's Friday May... Well, I think he'll be there Saturday at the banquet. Yes. And make sure you check that out. All right. And for more information you can call 7313263 or 7459056. Let's take a break and we'll come back to The Pulse of the City, 1480 WCIN.



